Comments on: News Analysis: Salesforce.com and VMware Up The Ante In The Cloud Wars With VMforce http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/04/29/news-analysis-salesforce-com-and-vmware-up-the-ante-in-the-cloud-wars-with-vmforce/ Your buy side advocate for enterprise apps strategies, vendor selection, & contract negotiations Mon, 21 May 2012 23:40:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: News Analysis: Salesforce.com Buys Heroku For $212M – Shows Commitment To Next Gen Apps | Constellation Research http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/04/29/news-analysis-salesforce-com-and-vmware-up-the-ante-in-the-cloud-wars-with-vmforce/comment-page-1/#comment-7931 News Analysis: Salesforce.com Buys Heroku For $212M – Shows Commitment To Next Gen Apps | Constellation Research Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:54:29 +0000 http://blog.softwareinsider.org/?p=4872#comment-7931 [...] ecosystem, the Cloud pioneer would relegate itself to a one-trick pony.  Consequently, the recent VMforce announcement targeted the Java community.  Now Salesforce.com seeks to win the hearts and minds of the Ruby [...] [...] ecosystem, the Cloud pioneer would relegate itself to a one-trick pony.  Consequently, the recent VMforce announcement targeted the Java community.  Now Salesforce.com seeks to win the hearts and minds of the Ruby [...]

]]> By: News Analysis: Salesforce.com Buys Heroku For $212M – Shows Commitment To Next Gen Apps http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/04/29/news-analysis-salesforce-com-and-vmware-up-the-ante-in-the-cloud-wars-with-vmforce/comment-page-1/#comment-7928 News Analysis: Salesforce.com Buys Heroku For $212M – Shows Commitment To Next Gen Apps Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:53:45 +0000 http://blog.softwareinsider.org/?p=4872#comment-7928 [...] ecosystem, the Cloud pioneer would relegate itself to a one-trick pony.  Consequently, the recent VMforce announcement targeted the Java community.  Now Salesforce.com seeks to win the hearts and minds of the Ruby [...] [...] ecosystem, the Cloud pioneer would relegate itself to a one-trick pony.  Consequently, the recent VMforce announcement targeted the Java community.  Now Salesforce.com seeks to win the hearts and minds of the Ruby [...]

]]> By: Tuesday’s Tip: 10 SaaS/Cloud Strategies For Legacy Apps Environments http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/04/29/news-analysis-salesforce-com-and-vmware-up-the-ante-in-the-cloud-wars-with-vmforce/comment-page-1/#comment-6998 Tuesday’s Tip: 10 SaaS/Cloud Strategies For Legacy Apps Environments Thu, 12 Aug 2010 00:23:55 +0000 http://blog.softwareinsider.org/?p=4872#comment-6998 [...] be a key component in the Cloud strategy and major SaaS vendors will make the move to open up the tool kits to allow customers and partners to extend their [...] [...] be a key component in the Cloud strategy and major SaaS vendors will make the move to open up the tool kits to allow customers and partners to extend their [...]

]]> By: R "Ray" Wang http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/04/29/news-analysis-salesforce-com-and-vmware-up-the-ante-in-the-cloud-wars-with-vmforce/comment-page-1/#comment-5773 R "Ray" Wang Wed, 05 May 2010 05:14:59 +0000 http://blog.softwareinsider.org/?p=4872#comment-5773 Kevin - to date, AWS seems to be more shell than DaaS or PaaS. i think over time they can put the components to move up the stack but so far, I haven't seen too many use cases. This game will ultimately be about scale. If you notice, these data centers are all near cheap power. These are the manufacturing plants of our century (e.g. hydro electric in the upstate NY region). What do you think? -Ray Kevin – to date, AWS seems to be more shell than DaaS or PaaS. i think over time they can put the components to move up the stack but so far, I haven’t seen too many use cases. This game will ultimately be about scale. If you notice, these data centers are all near cheap power. These are the manufacturing plants of our century (e.g. hydro electric in the upstate NY region). What do you think? -Ray

]]> By: Kevin Schmidt http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/04/29/news-analysis-salesforce-com-and-vmware-up-the-ante-in-the-cloud-wars-with-vmforce/comment-page-1/#comment-5772 Kevin Schmidt Wed, 05 May 2010 05:09:22 +0000 http://blog.softwareinsider.org/?p=4872#comment-5772 Ray You don't mention AWS which is fair given that their current services are focused on infrastructure, but with a rich set of such building blocks, what do you see them doing or what should they be doing to move "up stack"? Kevin Ray

You don’t mention AWS which is fair given that their current services are focused on infrastructure, but with a rich set of such building blocks, what do you see them doing or what should they be doing to move “up stack”?

Kevin

]]> By: Esteban Kolsky http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/04/29/news-analysis-salesforce-com-and-vmware-up-the-ante-in-the-cloud-wars-with-vmforce/comment-page-1/#comment-5746 Esteban Kolsky Mon, 03 May 2010 07:48:54 +0000 http://blog.softwareinsider.org/?p=4872#comment-5746 Ray, Nice POV (as late as I am to comment, of course). I think you are painting one market that I am not so sure I agree with -- just on one thing: VMForce and Azure are not competitors, they aim for different markets. I know that MSFT will deny this, but their Azure and related cloud offers -- albeit powerful, scalable, and complete, will appeal more to SMB and Mid-large organizations. The ability to run the entire company in the cloud (and I do mean the entire company) and have SaaS and PaaS integrated is a great appeal to those markets, where they don't want to either bother much with the integration between different PaaS layers or vendors, or they already have their entire solution in similar components on-premise and want to ease of running it in the cloud (I expect this second group to be more prevalent upfront, by the way). On the other hand, and with the Java prowess and APEX complexity more suited to complex, enterprise-level projects, Salesforce is aiming to become the IaaS (not sure they can) but at the very least the PaaS for all enterprises, maybe inter-connect wiht others, and eventually run all SaaS in it -- VMForce is laying the ground work to run different flavors of SaaS on it. Of course, that is my POV - two companies that get Cloud and want to leverage it for different purposes. Interested in seeing where thing go. Good post. Ray,

Nice POV (as late as I am to comment, of course). I think you are painting one market that I am not so sure I agree with — just on one thing: VMForce and Azure are not competitors, they aim for different markets.

I know that MSFT will deny this, but their Azure and related cloud offers — albeit powerful, scalable, and complete, will appeal more to SMB and Mid-large organizations. The ability to run the entire company in the cloud (and I do mean the entire company) and have SaaS and PaaS integrated is a great appeal to those markets, where they don’t want to either bother much with the integration between different PaaS layers or vendors, or they already have their entire solution in similar components on-premise and want to ease of running it in the cloud (I expect this second group to be more prevalent upfront, by the way).

On the other hand, and with the Java prowess and APEX complexity more suited to complex, enterprise-level projects, Salesforce is aiming to become the IaaS (not sure they can) but at the very least the PaaS for all enterprises, maybe inter-connect wiht others, and eventually run all SaaS in it — VMForce is laying the ground work to run different flavors of SaaS on it.

Of course, that is my POV – two companies that get Cloud and want to leverage it for different purposes. Interested in seeing where thing go.

Good post.

]]> By: Rahul Johri http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/04/29/news-analysis-salesforce-com-and-vmware-up-the-ante-in-the-cloud-wars-with-vmforce/comment-page-1/#comment-5745 Rahul Johri Mon, 03 May 2010 07:02:50 +0000 http://blog.softwareinsider.org/?p=4872#comment-5745 Wang, I work at Microsoft and appreciate the details provided by you around players in cloud space and the platforms they offer. I would like to add that Windows Azure does support multiple languages (.NET, PHP, Ruby, Python or Java) and development tools (Visual Studio or Eclipse), along with the interoperable approach, which does make it a strong contender in Java development niche market. Rahul Wang,
I work at Microsoft and appreciate the details provided by you around players in cloud space and the platforms they offer.

I would like to add that Windows Azure does support multiple languages (.NET, PHP, Ruby, Python or Java) and development tools (Visual Studio or Eclipse), along with the interoperable approach, which does make it a strong contender in Java development niche market.

Rahul

]]> By: Coté's People Over Process » The Java cloud? VMforce – Quick Analysis http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/04/29/news-analysis-salesforce-com-and-vmware-up-the-ante-in-the-cloud-wars-with-vmforce/comment-page-1/#comment-5722 Coté's People Over Process » The Java cloud? VMforce – Quick Analysis Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:28:47 +0000 http://blog.softwareinsider.org/?p=4872#comment-5722 [...] Ray Wang gives his POV. [...] [...] Ray Wang gives his POV. [...]

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