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		<title>Comment on Research Report: Customer Bill of Rights - Software-as-a Service by R "Ray" Wang</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2009/10/12/research-report-customer-bill-of-rights-software-as-a-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4872</link>
		<dc:creator>R "Ray" Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham, you can check out more details on saas escrows here.  &lt;a href="http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2009/06/02/tuesdays-tip-nows-the-time-to-consider-saas-software-escrows/" rel="nofollow"&gt; We know some clients that have already executed on this.   Cheers - Ray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham, you can check out more details on saas escrows here.  <a href="http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2009/06/02/tuesdays-tip-nows-the-time-to-consider-saas-software-escrows/" rel="nofollow"> We know some clients that have already executed on this.   Cheers - Ray</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Research Report: Customer Bill of Rights - Software-as-a Service by Graham Perry</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2009/10/12/research-report-customer-bill-of-rights-software-as-a-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4871</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray - an excellent piece of work with clear, practical guidelines.

Do you have any examples of data escrow arrangements used by SaaS vendors? I am thinking of the right to access the data in the event of a dispute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray - an excellent piece of work with clear, practical guidelines.</p>
<p>Do you have any examples of data escrow arrangements used by SaaS vendors? I am thinking of the right to access the data in the event of a dispute.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monday&#8217;s Musings: Decoupling Support From Maintenance - What Apps Vendors Can Learn From Microsoft Dynamics by Phil Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post about the history of support and maintenance being coupled. It seems like a good potential differentiator during the sales process. I wonder to what extent, if any, ERP clients' requests to do this would find an audience. Would Oracle or SAP go this route just because Microsoft is doing it?  Perhaps as SaaS and open source gain more ground, vendors might have to consider things like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post about the history of support and maintenance being coupled. It seems like a good potential differentiator during the sales process. I wonder to what extent, if any, ERP clients&#8217; requests to do this would find an audience. Would Oracle or SAP go this route just because Microsoft is doing it?  Perhaps as SaaS and open source gain more ground, vendors might have to consider things like this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tuesday&#8217;s Tip: When To Go With A Two-Tier ERP Strategy by R "Ray" Wang</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/02/tuesdays-tip-when-to-go-with-a-two-tier-erp-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-4860</link>
		<dc:creator>R "Ray" Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob - yes. we do see Exact in the market when organizations deploy two-tier ERP.  Thanks for pointing that out. - Ray</description>
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		<title>Comment on Tuesday&#8217;s Tip: When To Go With A Two-Tier ERP Strategy by Rob Cools</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/02/tuesdays-tip-when-to-go-with-a-two-tier-erp-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-4857</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Cools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ray,

Great article. This is clearly what we see happening at Exact too. More and more organizations use this second tier approach because of a much lower TCO. As a matter of fact, we see the trend that organizations, who plot themselves into the 'enterprise' group, for similar reasons turn to second tier solutions, too.

Exact has offices in 40 countries and customers in 125 countries. We have gone to market with this second tier strategy for a number of years now, and this continues to prove very successful. Unfortunately you did not mention Exact in your list of providers. I would like to give you an update on our current strategy and discuss some of our references.

Kind regards, Rob Cools
Exact</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ray,</p>
<p>Great article. This is clearly what we see happening at Exact too. More and more organizations use this second tier approach because of a much lower TCO. As a matter of fact, we see the trend that organizations, who plot themselves into the &#8216;enterprise&#8217; group, for similar reasons turn to second tier solutions, too.</p>
<p>Exact has offices in 40 countries and customers in 125 countries. We have gone to market with this second tier strategy for a number of years now, and this continues to prove very successful. Unfortunately you did not mention Exact in your list of providers. I would like to give you an update on our current strategy and discuss some of our references.</p>
<p>Kind regards, Rob Cools<br />
Exact</p>
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		<title>Comment on Research Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM - The New Rules of Relationship Management by Social CRM: A Must Read Report for Companies with High User Attrition : Venture Capital Cafe</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/05/research-report-the-18-use-cases-of-social-crm-the-new-rules-of-relationship-management/comment-page-1/#comment-4847</link>
		<dc:creator>Social CRM: A Must Read Report for Companies with High User Attrition : Venture Capital Cafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] report &#8220;Social CRM: The New Rules of Relationship Management&#8221;,  Jeremiah Owyang and Ray Wang of the Altimeter Group advocate tha companies should take an organized approach using enterprise [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Research Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM - The New Rules of Relationship Management by What Are the Biggest Social CRM (SCRM) Use Cases and Market Opportunities? &#124; 2020 Social: Because Business is Social</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/05/research-report-the-18-use-cases-of-social-crm-the-new-rules-of-relationship-management/comment-page-1/#comment-4842</link>
		<dc:creator>What Are the Biggest Social CRM (SCRM) Use Cases and Market Opportunities? &#124; 2020 Social: Because Business is Social</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Research Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM - The New Rules of Relationship Management by What Are the Biggest Social CRM (SCRM) Use Cases and Market Opportunities?&#160;&#124;&#160;Gauravonomics Blog on Social Media and Social Change</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/05/research-report-the-18-use-cases-of-social-crm-the-new-rules-of-relationship-management/comment-page-1/#comment-4841</link>
		<dc:creator>What Are the Biggest Social CRM (SCRM) Use Cases and Market Opportunities?&#160;&#124;&#160;Gauravonomics Blog on Social Media and Social Change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Research Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM - The New Rules of Relationship Management by Demand Satisfaction! &#187; and 193 Altimeter Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM, The New Rules of Relationship Management</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/05/research-report-the-18-use-cases-of-social-crm-the-new-rules-of-relationship-management/comment-page-1/#comment-4837</link>
		<dc:creator>Demand Satisfaction! &#187; and 193 Altimeter Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM, The New Rules of Relationship Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 00:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Research Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM - The New Rules of Relationship Management by Altimeter Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM, The New Rules of Relationship Management&#160;&#124;&#160;Ruslan Abuzant</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/05/research-report-the-18-use-cases-of-social-crm-the-new-rules-of-relationship-management/comment-page-1/#comment-4835</link>
		<dc:creator>Altimeter Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM, The New Rules of Relationship Management&#160;&#124;&#160;Ruslan Abuzant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Altimeter Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM, The New Rules of Relationship Management &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Research Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM - The New Rules of Relationship Management by Altimeter Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM, The New Rules of Relationship Management &#171; Altimeter Group : A Holistic Approach To Emerging Technologies</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/05/research-report-the-18-use-cases-of-social-crm-the-new-rules-of-relationship-management/comment-page-1/#comment-4832</link>
		<dc:creator>Altimeter Report: The 18 Use Cases of Social CRM, The New Rules of Relationship Management &#171; Altimeter Group : A Holistic Approach To Emerging Technologies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Tuesday&#8217;s Tip: When To Go With A Two-Tier ERP Strategy by Doug Hadden</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/02/tuesdays-tip-when-to-go-with-a-two-tier-erp-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-4827</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Hadden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

There's an old adage about newspapers. Newspaper information is 95% right. The only information that is wrong is the 5% you know something about. There is a similar formula in ERP when it comes to vertical requirements. Industry vertical market providers tend to find that ERP vendors, whether Tier 1 to Tier 3, are unable to match their offering. ERP often lacks feature sets, effective industry processes, speed to implementation, optimal technical footprint etc. I think that many vertical vendors think that ERP systems have trouble only in 1 vertical. Your data seems to show the opposite where the majority of responses aren't looking for single source with industry requirements at the number 1 reason. 

&lt;b&gt; When is ERP really ERP? &lt;/b&gt;

The market consolidation has created some vendors who have multiple horizontal (CRM, SCM etc.) and/or vertical (manufacturing, government, retail etc.) products. These companies tend to be positioned in the ERP category because it's become a meme. But really, is Accpak ERP? We need more effective categorization to reflect the complexity of the market. 

&lt;b&gt; The end of ERP as we know it? &lt;/b&gt;
We may be in the final stage of ERP dominance. The signs are:

(1) &lt;i&gt;Client/server behind the curtain &lt;/i&gt; The use of client/server legacy technology as a base for ERP - such as ABAP or PL/SQL means that "applistructures" are unable to adapt to achieve end-to-end process requirements. (Despite all the BPM thrown at it.) It is becoming more and more difficult to adapt and maintain generic ERP software to satisfy what industry packages have out of the box. The ERP category took off in the days when traditional vertical software did not provide complete industry solutions. Today, customers wonder whether to adapt to meet the needs of the software or adapt the software to support their unique business advantage.

(2) &lt;i&gt; Product management saturation.&lt;/i&gt; SAP has, according to an FT article, 12,000 engineers. Likely there are countless product managers. As ERP companies enter more industries, geographies, customer sizes (such as SME), horizontal, middleware, enabling technology (such as BI) markets, it becomes increasingly difficult to rationalize customer requirements. And, channels are the scalable business model, so ERP companies are disconnected from customers. 

(3) &lt;i&gt; Generic business models.&lt;/i&gt; Staff in enterprise software companies know how software companies are meant to behave and operate. The business model has been set, albeit disrupted by Cloud Computing. It is operationally inefficient to treat different classes of customers in a different way. For example, in my market, one of the main predictors of success is the contractual involvement (prime, sub or JV) of the software vendor with the customer. Tier 1 and some Tier 2 companies cannot afford to adjust business models across a number of vertical and geographic markets making their offering less than optimal.

(4) &lt;i&gt; Standards. &lt;/i&gt; We will tell our children about the day when vendors owned customers. We'll talk about the portfolio management argument when it was better for large organizations to buy single source ERP to reduce TCO. And, this was before standards were fully adopted and middleware became a commodity. In fact, in the old days, the ERP companies owned middleware and charged for it! It is becoming easier to integrate modern component-based SOA designed software from multiple vendors than to integrate within a single source ERP. And, the atomic integration needed is not there in ERP, yet. Technical standards are eliminating the key IT value point for ERP.

(5) &lt;i&gt; Crossed Chasm and the Tornado has spun out. &lt;/i&gt; Yes, ERP has entered the laggard market. Success in this level of maturity involves providing complete solutions and being customer intimate. Many enterprise software companies have focused on shipping during the tornado period. Innovation, per se, is not attractive. Technical features and terminology does not sell to the decision-makers - because IT is becoming less involved in the decision. 


&lt;b&gt; Complexity costs &lt;/b&gt;
The next 2 reasons why customers do not consider single source ERP is initial price and upgrade price. That's despite the portfolio management argument. Customers understand the long term cost and remain wary of vendor TCO talk. 

Reality? There is a high cost per customer to the ERP vendor compared to the vertical vendor. There is more technology and more Quality Assurance for multiple market vendors. There doesn't seem to be an economy of scale where the costs begin to drop on a per customer or per package basis after achieving 100 or so customers. That's how vertical vendors with $10M to $20M in annual revenue can achieve profitability and compete effectively with the $1B+ vendors.

Customers of vendors with single market solutions find upgrades far less onerous than with ERP. Single market solutions tend to primarily configured rather than customized. Change management and QA costs are far less. 

&lt;b&gt; Single Source Vertical? &lt;/b&gt;

We've found that the use of modern software architecture enables extensibility. There are so many proven open source tools and middleware platforms available. Real object-oriented development techniques have been able to accelerate product releases. We have been able to tune the application platform to address our target vertical. Software architecture used for multiple customer types is a compromise. There is no such thing as an optimal architecture for all possible ERP customers. One often has to build in functionality that is not needed for many vertical or horizontal markets. (Of course increasing the footprint, power consumption, chances of failure and costs.)

There may come a day when customers consider a single source vertical application rather than a multi-industry ERP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an old adage about newspapers. Newspaper information is 95% right. The only information that is wrong is the 5% you know something about. There is a similar formula in ERP when it comes to vertical requirements. Industry vertical market providers tend to find that ERP vendors, whether Tier 1 to Tier 3, are unable to match their offering. ERP often lacks feature sets, effective industry processes, speed to implementation, optimal technical footprint etc. I think that many vertical vendors think that ERP systems have trouble only in 1 vertical. Your data seems to show the opposite where the majority of responses aren&#8217;t looking for single source with industry requirements at the number 1 reason. </p>
<p><b> When is ERP really ERP? </b></p>
<p>The market consolidation has created some vendors who have multiple horizontal (CRM, SCM etc.) and/or vertical (manufacturing, government, retail etc.) products. These companies tend to be positioned in the ERP category because it&#8217;s become a meme. But really, is Accpak ERP? We need more effective categorization to reflect the complexity of the market. </p>
<p><b> The end of ERP as we know it? </b><br />
We may be in the final stage of ERP dominance. The signs are:</p>
<p>(1) <i>Client/server behind the curtain </i> The use of client/server legacy technology as a base for ERP - such as ABAP or PL/SQL means that &#8220;applistructures&#8221; are unable to adapt to achieve end-to-end process requirements. (Despite all the BPM thrown at it.) It is becoming more and more difficult to adapt and maintain generic ERP software to satisfy what industry packages have out of the box. The ERP category took off in the days when traditional vertical software did not provide complete industry solutions. Today, customers wonder whether to adapt to meet the needs of the software or adapt the software to support their unique business advantage.</p>
<p>(2) <i> Product management saturation.</i> SAP has, according to an FT article, 12,000 engineers. Likely there are countless product managers. As ERP companies enter more industries, geographies, customer sizes (such as SME), horizontal, middleware, enabling technology (such as BI) markets, it becomes increasingly difficult to rationalize customer requirements. And, channels are the scalable business model, so ERP companies are disconnected from customers. </p>
<p>(3) <i> Generic business models.</i> Staff in enterprise software companies know how software companies are meant to behave and operate. The business model has been set, albeit disrupted by Cloud Computing. It is operationally inefficient to treat different classes of customers in a different way. For example, in my market, one of the main predictors of success is the contractual involvement (prime, sub or JV) of the software vendor with the customer. Tier 1 and some Tier 2 companies cannot afford to adjust business models across a number of vertical and geographic markets making their offering less than optimal.</p>
<p>(4) <i> Standards. </i> We will tell our children about the day when vendors owned customers. We&#8217;ll talk about the portfolio management argument when it was better for large organizations to buy single source ERP to reduce TCO. And, this was before standards were fully adopted and middleware became a commodity. In fact, in the old days, the ERP companies owned middleware and charged for it! It is becoming easier to integrate modern component-based SOA designed software from multiple vendors than to integrate within a single source ERP. And, the atomic integration needed is not there in ERP, yet. Technical standards are eliminating the key IT value point for ERP.</p>
<p>(5) <i> Crossed Chasm and the Tornado has spun out. </i> Yes, ERP has entered the laggard market. Success in this level of maturity involves providing complete solutions and being customer intimate. Many enterprise software companies have focused on shipping during the tornado period. Innovation, per se, is not attractive. Technical features and terminology does not sell to the decision-makers - because IT is becoming less involved in the decision. </p>
<p><b> Complexity costs </b><br />
The next 2 reasons why customers do not consider single source ERP is initial price and upgrade price. That&#8217;s despite the portfolio management argument. Customers understand the long term cost and remain wary of vendor TCO talk. </p>
<p>Reality? There is a high cost per customer to the ERP vendor compared to the vertical vendor. There is more technology and more Quality Assurance for multiple market vendors. There doesn&#8217;t seem to be an economy of scale where the costs begin to drop on a per customer or per package basis after achieving 100 or so customers. That&#8217;s how vertical vendors with $10M to $20M in annual revenue can achieve profitability and compete effectively with the $1B+ vendors.</p>
<p>Customers of vendors with single market solutions find upgrades far less onerous than with ERP. Single market solutions tend to primarily configured rather than customized. Change management and QA costs are far less. </p>
<p><b> Single Source Vertical? </b></p>
<p>We&#8217;ve found that the use of modern software architecture enables extensibility. There are so many proven open source tools and middleware platforms available. Real object-oriented development techniques have been able to accelerate product releases. We have been able to tune the application platform to address our target vertical. Software architecture used for multiple customer types is a compromise. There is no such thing as an optimal architecture for all possible ERP customers. One often has to build in functionality that is not needed for many vertical or horizontal markets. (Of course increasing the footprint, power consumption, chances of failure and costs.)</p>
<p>There may come a day when customers consider a single source vertical application rather than a multi-industry ERP.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Personal Log: Welcoming Alan Webber and Lora Cecere to Altimeter Group! by Growth at Altimeter Group: Supply Chain Management, Government Innovation &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Growth at Altimeter Group: Supply Chain Management, Government Innovation &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Tuesday&#8217;s Tip: When To Go With A Two-Tier ERP Strategy by R "Ray" Wang</title>
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		<dc:creator>R "Ray" Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sachin, All very good points.  We use these and similar questions when looking at single instance ERP vs Two-Tier ERP.  It helps frame the issue with ROI and the other key business requirements. - Ray</description>
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		<title>Comment on Tuesday&#8217;s Tip: When To Go With A Two-Tier ERP Strategy by Sachin Bery</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/02/tuesdays-tip-when-to-go-with-a-two-tier-erp-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-4820</link>
		<dc:creator>Sachin Bery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Ray.
I have some thoughts around the reasons not mentioned explicitly here but are important.
1. Is the organization ready to merge differently 'cultures' and 'ideologies' into one monolith?
2. Do we want to make the local entities force fit into a global solution. Is this 'big brother' approach good for organization?
3. Why not leverage what is best for business with underlying tenet of 'simplicity'
4. Are users ready for a radical change?
5. With maturing integration scenarios, mechanisms and reporting tools; who needs a single 'monolith' and a 'single point of failure'
6. Why not benefit from the competition between different product vendors who will redefine the organization landscape - no big player can bully the organization
7. The initiative may be 'time bound' and 'returns' needed faster - why disturb the entire org ecosystem?
8. Let the profit centers part some money to invest in the local initiative while providing lesser headache to the parent organization</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Ray.<br />
I have some thoughts around the reasons not mentioned explicitly here but are important.<br />
1. Is the organization ready to merge differently &#8216;cultures&#8217; and &#8216;ideologies&#8217; into one monolith?<br />
2. Do we want to make the local entities force fit into a global solution. Is this &#8216;big brother&#8217; approach good for organization?<br />
3. Why not leverage what is best for business with underlying tenet of &#8217;simplicity&#8217;<br />
4. Are users ready for a radical change?<br />
5. With maturing integration scenarios, mechanisms and reporting tools; who needs a single &#8216;monolith&#8217; and a &#8217;single point of failure&#8217;<br />
6. Why not benefit from the competition between different product vendors who will redefine the organization landscape - no big player can bully the organization<br />
7. The initiative may be &#8216;time bound&#8217; and &#8216;returns&#8217; needed faster - why disturb the entire org ecosystem?<br />
8. Let the profit centers part some money to invest in the local initiative while providing lesser headache to the parent organization</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tuesday&#8217;s Tip: When To Go With A Two-Tier ERP Strategy by Sachin Bery</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/02/tuesdays-tip-when-to-go-with-a-two-tier-erp-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-4819</link>
		<dc:creator>Sachin Bery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.softwareinsider.org/?p=4048#comment-4819</guid>
		<description>Nice post Ray.
I have some thoughts around the reasons not mentioned explicitly here but are important.
1. Is the organization ready to merge differenty 'cultures' and 'ideologies' into one monolith?
2. Do we want to make the local entities force fit into a global solution. Is this 'big brother' approach good for organization?
3. Why not leverage what is best for business with undelying tenet of 'simplicity'
4. Are users ready for a radical change?
5. With maturing integration scenarios, mechanisms and reporting tools; who needs a single 'monolith' and a 'single point of failure'
6. Why not benefit from the competition between different product vendors who will redefine the organization landscape - no big player can bully the organization
7. The initiative may be 'time bound' and 'returns' needed faster - why disturb the entire org ecosystem?
8. Let the profit centers part some money to invest in the local initiative while providing lesser headache to the parent organization</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Ray.<br />
I have some thoughts around the reasons not mentioned explicitly here but are important.<br />
1. Is the organization ready to merge differenty &#8216;cultures&#8217; and &#8216;ideologies&#8217; into one monolith?<br />
2. Do we want to make the local entities force fit into a global solution. Is this &#8216;big brother&#8217; approach good for organization?<br />
3. Why not leverage what is best for business with undelying tenet of &#8217;simplicity&#8217;<br />
4. Are users ready for a radical change?<br />
5. With maturing integration scenarios, mechanisms and reporting tools; who needs a single &#8216;monolith&#8217; and a &#8217;single point of failure&#8217;<br />
6. Why not benefit from the competition between different product vendors who will redefine the organization landscape - no big player can bully the organization<br />
7. The initiative may be &#8216;time bound&#8217; and &#8216;returns&#8217; needed faster - why disturb the entire org ecosystem?<br />
8. Let the profit centers part some money to invest in the local initiative while providing lesser headache to the parent organization</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tuesday&#8217;s Tip: Software Licensing and Pricing - Now&#8217;s The Time To Remove &#8220;Gag Rule&#8221; Clauses In Your Software Contracts by ITAM Review &#187; ITAM Industry News Round-Up</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2009/01/27/tuesdays-tip-nows-the-time-to-remove-gag-rule-clauses-in-your-software-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-4818</link>
		<dc:creator>ITAM Review &#187; ITAM Industry News Round-Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on About this blog by R "Ray" Wang</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/about-this-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-4817</link>
		<dc:creator>R "Ray" Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.softwareinsider.org/?page_id=2#comment-4817</guid>
		<description>Neil, many vendors took out the concurrent user options.  That option as you know lets users put shift workers around the world on one license instead of buying one for each shift and not maximizing on the value of the license.  Hope that helps!  - R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, many vendors took out the concurrent user options.  That option as you know lets users put shift workers around the world on one license instead of buying one for each shift and not maximizing on the value of the license.  Hope that helps!  - R</p>
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		<title>Comment on About this blog by Neil O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/about-this-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-4814</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

I ran across a Msft presentation on Dynamics AX 2009 on the web and in it they quoted you from something you did at Forrester.  The reference was ..."Microsoft has maintained its client-friendly concurrent user license...".  What did you mean by "client-friendly concurrent user license" versus a "run of the mill" concurrent license?

Thanks,

Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>I ran across a Msft presentation on Dynamics AX 2009 on the web and in it they quoted you from something you did at Forrester.  The reference was &#8230;&#8221;Microsoft has maintained its client-friendly concurrent user license&#8230;&#8221;.  What did you mean by &#8220;client-friendly concurrent user license&#8221; versus a &#8220;run of the mill&#8221; concurrent license?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Neil</p>
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		<title>Comment on About this blog by Neil O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/about-this-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-4813</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

I ran across a Msft presentation on Dynamics AX 2009 on the web and in it they quoted you from something you did at Forrester.  The reference was ..."Microsoft has maintained its client-friendly concurrent user license...".  What did you mean by "client-friendly concurrent user license" versus a run of the mill concurrent license?

Thanks,

Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>I ran across a Msft presentation on Dynamics AX 2009 on the web and in it they quoted you from something you did at Forrester.  The reference was &#8230;&#8221;Microsoft has maintained its client-friendly concurrent user license&#8230;&#8221;.  What did you mean by &#8220;client-friendly concurrent user license&#8221; versus a run of the mill concurrent license?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Neil</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tuesday&#8217;s Tip: When To Go With A Two-Tier ERP Strategy by ERP Single Instance Not a Panacea</title>
		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2010/03/02/tuesdays-tip-when-to-go-with-a-two-tier-erp-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-4811</link>
		<dc:creator>ERP Single Instance Not a Panacea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2009/10/06/tuesdays-tip-why-free-software-aint-really-free/comment-page-1/#comment-4808</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuesday&#8217;s Tip: When To Go With A Two-Tier ERP Strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2009/11/02/best-practices-lessons-learned-in-what-smbs-want-from-their-erp-provider/comment-page-1/#comment-4807</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuesday&#8217;s Tip: When To Go With A Two-Tier ERP Strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://blog.softwareinsider.org/2009/12/08/tuesdays-tip-apps-strategies-should-start-with-business-value/comment-page-1/#comment-4806</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuesday&#8217;s Tip: When To Go With A Two-Tier ERP Strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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